Name that Tune

[John Broecker]

This is a tune that I've always liked,
since my age of 20s (mid-1970s).

I don't know who sang it, who wrote
it, or who published (recorded) it.

This tune woke me up this morning,
and it's been bugging me since then.

I do know the lyrics. The tune is a slow-
tempo waltz, probably a Motown tune,
or a Soul Music tune. I vaguely recall
that it was sung by a male singing
group:

PARTIAL LYRICS

If you don't know me by now,
You will nev-er nev-er nev-er
Know me at all...

I'm hoping that you can name
that tune, and possibly give
more details about the music
group, composer and recording
company.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

JB

[Age]

"If you don't know me by now"

pretty sure that's the name of the tune, John

[John Broecker]

Thanks, A.J.

I found it at Wikipedia:

"If You Don't Know Me By Now,"
produced & written by Kenny Gamble
& Leon Huff, and 1st performed in 1972,
by Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes.

It was originally written for Patty
LaBelle's group, LaBelle, but wasn't
recorded by LaBelle until later.

In the USA, it topped the USA- R & B
(Rhythm & Blues) charts, and was #3
on the USA Billboard charts.

The RIAA (?) listed it as "one of the
"Songs of the Century".

These "ghost songs", sometimes
called "mystery songs", are often
stored in my transient brain, and
seem to "pop-up" in my musical
memories, sung in my head.

Your naming of the song title gave
me a clue, a reference to the song's
identity.

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

John Broecker
The Milwaukee Mesopotamian
(I wrote The Epic of Gilgamesh)

[Scotty]

John: 'If you don't know me by now' (you will never, never know me) is one of MY all-time favourite songs since that era
produced so many fantastic songs which have stayed in my head forever. I couldn't have said who sang it - only that it
was one of the many groups prevalent then AND since - many still touring as 'oldies shows' often with many of the original
singers (at least those who are still alive). It's astonishing just how good sounding they still are, even with the occasional
replacement singer. It's a great song - very melodic, and to me, just as fresh as if it was recorded today.

scotty

Here's the original (as sung on Soul Train):

You might also enjoy this version by Mick Hucknall of Simply Red (a group I really like and have a couple of their
albums). While they were originally considered 'pop', he actually has a leaning towards R&B/jazz and his more
recent work reflects this (at least to my ears). Really good singer - and the band is very cool. This was recorded
in 1988 I believe.  Made me enjoy the song all over again. The whole CD is great. The main song the band is
known for is 'Holding Back the Years' which put them on the top of the UK and US charts.

[elaect]

Here is a high quality of the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwg59g84Rw

[John Broecker]

Thanks, Elaect & Scotty.

The tune was playing in my brain
all day yesterday. When I heard
the recordings that you provided,
I remembered my youth.

And my memory of the tune was
identical to the recordings.

It's still a great tune. It makes
me feel warm all over.

Best Regards, Stay Soulful.

JB, Sul-10 of Su-6

[Scotty]

Here is a high quality of the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSwg59g84Rw

Thank you, Elaect! - that's the one I was looking for but couldn't find. Wonderful!

scotty
'Tis true - puts one in a whole 'nother mood. Those so soulful voices changed my own life when I was young.

[John Broecker]

Name This Tune.

The composer, Ludwig von Beethoven (1770-1827),
wrote this melody for the finale of his 9th symphony,
with choral verses from poet & philosopher Friedrich
Schuller (1759-1805) .

We've simplified the melody. Beethoven wrote the theme,
plus 8 variations, in his work.

HARMONICA TABLATURE
Numbers represent hole numbers on a 10-hole diatonic
scale harmonica factory-set in C major. (B) with a number
represents a blow (exhale) breath; (D) with a number
represents a draw (inhale) breath:

The theme has 4 parts, but we've listed only part one.

Part One
5B 5B 5D 6B 6B 5D 5B 4D 4B 4B 4D 5B 5B 4D 4D

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

JB

[grstatdoc]

Ode to Joy

[John Broecker]

That was quick. Thanks, Grstatdoc.

Here's another Name This Tune:

First performed in 1933, by Oliver Hood.
 
Louisiana, USA Governor Jimmie Davis
(1899-2000) and Charles Mitchell
bought the copyright to this tune, to use
in Jimmie's election campaigns, (1944-'48
and 1960-'64).

It later became the State Song of Louisiana;
and Grammy Hall of Fame winner in 1999.

TABLATURE (factory key of C, 10-hole diatonic harp):

1st line:

3B 4B 4D 5B 5B 5B 4D 5B 4B 4B

jb

[wolfman]

  You are my Sunshine.

 Roman

[John Broecker]

Hello, Roman (Wolfman).

Thanks for your quick reply.
You named it.

It's the song that you and I played
together at a Music-Go-Round
used musical instrument store,
when we met in New Mexico.

Best Regards, Say Hi to Deanne &
Patrick. 

jb

[Age]

Yeah, unless it's a classical or a Gospel number, I've recently started "drawing the line" on most of what I call "buggy whip" music, that was written and/or released before I was born and that one and that's one of them. They make me feel even older than I am just by playing them.

[John Broecker]

How about a gospel tune
written in 1774?

JB

[Age]

Only one I can think of is maybe Amazing Grace about that time

[wolfman]

 Father,i stretch my hands to thee.

 Roman

[wolfman]

 Amazing Grace 1772.

 Roman

[grstatdoc]

Just as an aside....
Today is Classical Music Day (or so says Sheet Music Plus)
I guess the rest of the time we rock around the clock and all that jazz

[Gnarly He Man]

Amazing Grace 1772.

 Roman

“Amen That Tune”

[It’s an anagram]

[John Broecker]

Since we've already discussed the
Amazing Grace gospel tune,
we don't need to do tablature for it.

A.J. hasn't prevented it's discussion,
so it's OK.

Amazing Grace was published in 1774,
music by John Newton (1725-1807)
and verses by English poet William
Cowper (1731-1800).

Best Regards, Stay Healthy

jb

[SlideMeister]

We can talk all about the piece as long as we don't stray into why Mr. Newton wrote it, or why thought grace was so amazing, cuz that would move the discussion to the "religious" arena.

You can "PM" me for any clarification.

[SlideMeister]

Very Simple melody, AKA "Heaven's Theme Song." Easily played in just about any key on a Chromatic, but always sounds best when played on a suck-harp. Here's probably the most earth shattering, phenomenal, unreal, astounding, yada yada yada,  example I've ever heard by Howie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmL4RM7IA7A

[Gnarly He Man]

HL seems to be touring with the Flecktones!

[Lockjaw Larry]

Despite what some may think, Howard is mortal!  He visited my workplace and had a great show that night.   He was down to earth and carried on some good conversations.  He used no special effects other than his personal equipment set ups.  Twice more he played nearby and I was delighted to have discussions with him especially regarding his and my instruments.

 His son interned there just before Covid hit and he was a very nice young man.  Had we not been shut down I was planning on getting to know him better.  He looked a lot like Howard and sports real flesh and bones. 

[Age]

HL seems to be touring with the Flecktones!

Yeah, the first time I ever heard of him when he was playing with the Flecktones. He did a super job on "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" and I've been a fan ever since.

[Scotty]

I personally like Howard. I find him to be nice, personable and very agreeable when asked to give hints/tips to young players
needing help (at previous Buckeyes/Garden State conventions). I have enjoyed his diatonic playing very much, but have to
admit that some of his more esoteric playing loses me. That's certainly not on HIM but me. I'm a chromatic player who loves
melody and some (key word 'SOME') of what he does fails to please my ears, but so what? It doesn't take anything away from
how talented he is or from all of those who adore him.

We are all about opinions here anyway - and that's mine. What I DO absolutely adore about him is his piano playing. He's a
brilliant pianist and I could easily have sat and listened to him play for hours during his set at SPAH I was lucky enough to
attend.

scotty

[John Broecker]

Here's a Brazilian Samba. Name the tune. It's performed on a 12-hole solo system
slide chromatic, no changing rhythms are written here:

Tab: (^) = exhale reed. (V) = inhale reed, (*) = slide in; (|| and |) are measure dividers.

This is only the first section of the tune. There is another section, plus a return through
the 1st section.                     

Slide out:
Hole: ||5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ (repeat line)
 
Slide in, all notes:
        ||*6^ 6^ 6^ |6^ 6^ 6^ 6^ |6^ 6^ 6^ 6^ |6^ 6^ 6^ 6^ |6^

Slide out:
        ||5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ 5^ 5^ |5^ 5^ *5V 5^ |*6^ ||

No prize given, but the person with the 1st correct reply will receive total consciousness and a free busking permit in Nhirvana, which is nice.

[Age]

One Note Samba!
(cuz it's also the only Samba I'm familiar with )

[Gnarly He Man]

When I play this series of notes, I change up the breath pattern, since I have two F notes and two Bb notes, each both blow and draw.

[John Broecker]

Congratulations, A.J.

You nailed it!

Samba de uma Nota So, (One Note Samba, 1960),
music by Antonio Carlos Jobim (1927-1994),
Portugese lyrics by Newton Mendonsa, (1927-'60),
English lyrics by Jon Hendricks (1921-2017).

It's in a bossa nova rhythm accompaniment.

While in the Milwaukee Harmonica Club, I played this
tune for one of the other members. When he heard the
3rd line of the tune (the 1st line repeats), he whispered,
"2 notes!"

I replied, "no, it has 168 notes". Each tone is one note.
(The number of notes may differ among arrangements).


Best Regards, Stay Healthy

JB