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Offline Gnarly He Man

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Half Valved Power Chromatic
« on: November 24, 2019, 12:01:18 AM »
Hello,
I just retuned a 12 hole in C (what I like to call soprano tuning, but what you call "Standard") [it was an Easttop, gold mouthpiece] to Power Chromatic, raised the F notes to F# and lowered hole 4 blow from C to A.
Someone else posted recently about this, theirs started on G. I didn't see it here on the Alternate Tunings board. Oh well . . .
I am used to the tuning but still used to Orchestra Bebop, so who knows how long I will spend on it. Seems like it would be good for sharps, we will see--and it's bendy, no valves over the draw slot, so all the draw notes react like a diatonic.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 12:29:04 AM »
I meant to bring the new axe to Idaho, the weather is perfect for a half valved instrument.
Anyway, it's worth mentioning that this tuning has four discrete notes on each hole--so there's blow, and the slide raises the pitch a half step, and draw is a whole step, and the slide raises the pitch another half step.
Y'all are familiar with this idea, holes 1 and 3 are this way.
It is the same on dimi and auggie (Dimi and Auggie were sweethearts . . .)  :o
But of course, the enharmonics are different on this tuning. Holes one and two are just like auggie, hole 3 has an enharmonic (there is also a G on draw button 2) but is just like the standard tuned hole three.
Hole 4 has the draw B we are used to on standard tuned chromatic harmonica, but there is an A--so that is the same as blow 3. In fact, here is where we can have confusion, as draw button 3 is a Bb, and so is a half step higher than blow 4.
My advice? Don't mess with Mr. In Between.

How can I tell I am a harmonica nerd? I am studying this tuning without the benefit of an instrument.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 12:43:44 AM »
Because of the half valving, the response and sound of the instrument is similar to a diatonic. So that's eight notes (D, Eb, F#, G, A, Bb, B, and C) that can be given inflection with the diatonic techniques.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2019, 10:41:41 AM »
Quote from: Gnarly He Man on November 27, 2019, 12:29:04 AM
Anyway, it's worth mentioning that this tuning has four discrete notes on each hole--so there's blow, and the slide raises the pitch a half step, and draw is a whole step, and the slide raises the pitch another half step.

Gary, you're always cooking something up! I can see that I'm not spending enough time with you. This is intriguing. Hope we can get together after you return from Idaho (& I return from Portland).
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2019, 11:36:16 AM »
This is actually an old bone I have been digging up and chewing on for quite some time!
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2019, 12:01:57 PM »
  Safe travel to all our Sliders.

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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2019, 12:02:40 PM »
Thanks Mr. Wolf!
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2019, 01:53:20 PM »
Here is a video from Brendan about using bending to achieve the half steps.
I prefer a button, myself. But I might wind up using some of these too!
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2019, 01:58:05 PM »
So just to be clear, holes 1 and 3 are unchanged.
And you probably only use the draw B on hole 4, usually--it's still there.
One big deal is, there is no F without the button--or Bb (bebop tuning inside joke). And there's only one F--leads me to believe that this particular tuning (with one sharp) would be most useful for sharp keys.
There are two A given notes (blow 4 and draw 3)--the enharmonics are not all in a row, like bebop tuning. But the half valving could be the key to solving one of chromatic's biggest caveats, stuck valves.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2019, 04:27:17 PM »
Don't you still have the F nat available as a draw bend on the F#?
And Bb on the B?
I am still back and forth on forging in to this tuning.
Think I am going to though.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2019, 04:51:05 PM »
Yes, the notes are there as draw bends.
But I am not wild about using draw bends for 'pitched' notes, I can do it, but it isn't as "dependable" as the slide note.
I still like the button  :D
But I also like the bends--just not for fundamentals.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2019, 09:24:04 PM »
True true. I guess that I kinda the point of a chrom huh?
I am wondering if dimi might be a better path for me. . Decision
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2019, 12:40:25 AM »
Well, I am not abandoning Bebop--
But it's cool with the bends, and especially not having to worry about condensation!
It does sound kinda honky tho . . .
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2019, 05:40:54 AM »
Less valves to worry abt is nice. I should just man up and re-tune my scx-56 and try it out. I could do the blue tack thing to test it right?



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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2019, 03:47:11 PM »
YMMV
I have never used Blu-Tack, and have done a lot of retunes.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2019, 04:43:46 PM »
Just scared to take a file to my first harp lol  :-\
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2019, 05:12:47 PM »
I stopped using files, for the most part.
These days, I try to tune down, rather than up, and use polishing Dremel bits, sanding wands, and solder, and only use files (or an Exacto knife) for fine tuning.
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2019, 01:49:37 PM »
All right, here’s a video.
https://youtu.be/KHxZTfxrFlw
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Re: Half Valved Power Chromatic
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2020, 04:13:59 AM »
Folks may also consider *Inverted* Bebop, which is introduced here, including a video review by Brendan Power. A good application of half-valving.
https://www.brendan-power.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=612&start=10#p2812
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